
I’m not going to stand here and pretend that a draw. at home, against Stoke doesn’t feel like a bad result. I’m not going to pretend that it doesn’t feel like we should be beating them. I won’t for exactly them same reason I won’t pretend that I’m not gutted that I didn’t get back to Wigan in time for kick off. Put simply, there’s no point even putting a brave face on things when you can’t even make yourself believe the lie. We’ll see it in your eyes.
There’s a fairly big but to all that though, because football doesn’t care about how you or I feel. It cares about goals, and form and confidence; about strength and pace and skill. And, for those that are precious about such things, it cares about formations, tactics and substitutions. It’s a complex equation and, away from Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge, god given rights to three points are in short supply.
Whilst we’re in an honest mood, we might as well admit that Stoke are a good side, they’re not pretty on the eye, but they’re effective. I know that there are plenty out there who would love to see Latics give up their quest to be pretty and concentrate on being effective, but that’s another debate for another day.
Of course, I’ve been sneaky. Feeling that you should beat a side is different from thinking you should. Feelings are about emotion, reaction and are often irrational. Thoughts are supposed to be measured, calculated and mostly logic. Feeling that your team should beat another is fine, fandom is hardly the most rational of conditions after all, but thinking you should, who do you think you are?
Especially when the side in question hold a higher league position and a more solid reputation. You know, like Stoke. Anyone who thinks we should be beating Stoke (especially if they stick a sneaky “sides like…” in there) should perhaps take a long hard look at themselves. If you still feel the same way in the morning then perhaps you’ve turned into one of those Premier League snobs that we’ve spent the best part of five years laughing at.
Now that’s off my chest, onto the game.
My (misinterpreted) match preview suggested that Latics would be expected to cope with Stoke, I was expecting a hammer and tongs assault in attempt to get Latics on the back foot from early on. From what I’ve seen and heard it either didn’t come or Latics coped so well that the tables were turned and the home team had almost total dominance, it’s hard to tell when you’re at the mercy of the railways and the internet but when the word is that Jason Scotland is having a good game then things must be on the up.
I rolled into the homestead just in time to see Latics lose James McCarthy and any hold they had on the game. Surely a co-incidence, him being 19 and all? Actually not as a later viewing of Sky’s highlights provided a performance of maturity and imagination that, once again, showed up Paul Scharner as something akin to a schoolyard full of seven year olds having a kick about at dinnertime.
Stoke had already started the second half knocking on the door, McCarthy’s departure gave them the cue to smash it down and go on a 20-odd minute spell where they not only got the equalizer but looked like they could get rampant, something that the controlled first half Latics performance never suggested. No one in blue and white had any answer other than to defend manfully and hope for the best, we needed someone to put their foot on the ball and calm things down, but no one had the balls to do it.
Which is the only reason I can assume that Bobby chose to give Jordi Gomez a run. I’d call him the “much maligned” Jordi Gomez but it would be beyond a joke, surely some of his critics saw Jeff Peron play? Anyway, the change didn’t work, mostly I think because it upset the whole frontline, Rodallega from the left to the centre, N’Zogbia to the left, Scotland off and Scharner doing whatever he likes because there’s no point in trying to actually get him to do a specific job (sorry, it’s bordering on obsession again).
So basically we were stuck with a defence struggling to cope, a midfield struggling to get involved and a frontline trying to work out what they’re supposed to be doing. All whilst Stoke are doing what they do best, getting the ball forward quickly, forcing you to defend deeper than you’d like and turning the screw.
Strange then that the goal came on the counter, Latics having over committed, Stoke breaking on their right, and the increasingly irritating Tuncay sneaking in for a header. If you hadn’t already noticed then it suddenly became very apparent that Latics looked tired, very tired in fact (I’d whisper unfit, but what do I know about that sort of thing?). The pattern of losing winning positions becomes even more worrying if it’s the legs and lungs that are lacking.
It’s becoming like a stuck record, but ultimately this was a game of two halves, one that both sides will think they could have won. Disappointing for Latics that they didn’t make more of their early dominance, disappointing for Stoke that they managed to keep Latics on the ropes for a good half hour, but couldn’t find the killer punch. The level that each side dominated their part of the game probably makes the draw a fair result.
The game was a very winnable one, but equally losable and no matter what your gut tells you, hindsight says that we should be treating this as a welcome point and moving on to worry about other things. Like next Wednesday, another six pointer and another game that we really should be winning. :-)

































A good analysis of the game, though I guess you’ve had the benefit of a Sky highlights package whereas I haven’t.
Fact is, we could have beaten Stoke on Tuesday, but a mixture of bad luck (the McCarthy injury), misguided tactics, a bit of sloppy defending (Hansen!) and, as you say, tiredness conspired against us.
We’ve got a week off now, might be a good job we’re out of the cup so we can recharge our batteries and concentrate on the task in hand – the Prem.
Come on Latics.
This is the first time I have been on your site, and I thought your analysis was spot on. Why can City give Adam Johnson a run out and win MOTM, but Martinez keeps Moses on the bench and gives Gomez another chance.
May I be so bold as to slightly but politely poo poo much of your blog please Mr Perm.
After this long in the Premier League, I feel we should have earned the right to be able to say…”We should be beating the likes of Stoke at home.”, because I’ll bet the majority of their lot have that attitude when they are playing Latics at The Brittania.
But now after having seen us loose against Blackpool, Notts County, Wolves, Hull, Portsmouth etc etc I worry that we are still miles off being able to say “We should be beating the likes of Stoke at Home”.
I still want Roberto to be our manager, but he let himself and us down badly on Tuesday with his decisions and we went from commanding the game to looking like certain losers in the time it takes one 19 year old lad to hobble off the pitch.
Stoke are a poor team irrespective of league position, we should have beaten them, we needed to beat them. In much the same way as at home we should beat the likes of Bolton, and we certainly need to beat Bolton….
Two strikers up front for me at home against Bolton please Roberto, lets start to look to give the opposition summert to worry about instead of constantly waiting to see what they are going to throw at us and trying to react after the fact to it! I mean it’s not as if we are scoring goals by passing and moving the ball through the opposition and slotting a nice short ball through to someone to tap in (Arsenal Stylee)is it….most of our goals are still only coming from the odd set piece and the odd long ball over the top anyroad!
We have to start trying to score more goals than the opposition.(and thats not as daft as it sounds IMHO.)
I think that the point Yick is that we shouldn’t think, or act, like we have a god given right to beat anyone, we don’t and we never will.
If Stoke are poor it’s in method not in outcome. You really can’t say that you should be beating a team just cause they play (Robert) Hoof and we don’t, it doesn’t work.
They’ve achieved more in terms of upsetting bigger teams in there first season and a bit than we have in our first four and a bit, surely that says something. Over the next couple of years, if they stay up, Stoke will go from being social pariahs to being thought of like Bolton or Blackburn have been.
What we do have a god given right to expect is to be competitive against teams like Stoke, to be in the game and to win when we play well. Which is why is why the reult is so disappointing, because for the early part of this game we did and we weren’t able to finish the job.
But, performances aside, ending up honours even over two legs against a team in a similar position to ourselves carries little shame.
You’ve poo poo’ed the poo poo!
Should—”Used to express obligation, duty, expectation or probability.”
I suppose the use of the word is subjective.
My list of teams I would imagine the club put down at the start of the season,as games we should be getting 3 points against at the DW.
Wolves,
Burnley,
Hull,
Stoke,
Birmingham, (before it became apparent that they have put together a strong team)
If the club are not confident Latics should beat this sort of team at home then where are we going? What have we been doing in the last 5 seasons?
BTW thats not an attempt at poo pooing the poo poo that you poo poo’ed…;-)